win withって成句的表現？
Cathyが夫のSimonと一緒に友人のBrendaのところを訪れてお喋りしている場面です。
Cathy:Stella called me from Nottingham the day before yesterday. I hadn't heard from her for ages. Not since she left university. She said that she'd been working as an account in Australia but that she'd moved back to Nottinghamshire and bought a house. I told her I was seeing you this you this weekend and she sent you her love.
Brenda: I wonder what became of her sister, Anna.
She was so clever.
Cathy: I asked her what Anna was up to, but she wouldn't tell me. The last I knew, she was working as an estate agent in Nottingham. I used to run into her from time to time in the “Trip to Jerusalem”. I don't remember whether I told you in my letter, but I've got a job. A proper job, in an office. I start next week. Why are you laughing?
Brenda: I'm not laughing at you. I'm just very happy for you.
Simon: Are you two going to sit there gossiping all day? It's nearly dark.
Cathy: I like that! You can never win with man, can you? If you talk about other people, they call you a gossip. And if you talk about yourself, they say you're self-centered!
そこで質問です。Cathyのセリフで「I like that! You can never win with man, can you? 」の部分ですが、これはSimonが 女二人がお喋りに夢中になっているのに しびれを切らして言葉を挟んだ後、Cathyが少し皮肉を込めて発した思うんですが、これは 男がいるんじゃ参ったということだと思うんですが、上手に訳すとどうなりますか？
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